Saturday, November 14, 2009

Does any style of Kung fu incorporate Ground fighting?

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This question has been asked before and many people sent in videos


from youtube to prove that it did have ground fighting BUT I watched


the videos and none of them had any ground fighting at all they were


all just had videos of Kung fu masters doing Throws. Throws are apart


of Grappling but it is not GROUND grappling.





So does anyone know any forms of Kung fu that do incorporate


PROPER Ground fighting.|||What most people don%26#039;t understand is that all arts have many techniques that are applicable in a ground grappling situation.





These aspect are not explored so most people don%26#039;t understand them and ignorant people will deny them out of lack of knowledge. |||Of course there are, one very powerful ground fighting style comes from the Southern Shaolin, it%26#039;s called: %26quot;ground tactical fist boxing%26quot;(鍦版湳鎷?.... Report Abuse
|||Great question!





There aren%26#039;t many who would think of kung fu and grappling, but there are several styles, especially those that originate from Western, and Northern areas in China that include ground fighting. The interaction with bordering nations helped to influence the style and so the martial arts of the opposite nation were folded in to the typically high stanced, high kicking, fast Kung fu we associate with the North.





My own style of Lama Pai is an example of that. Lama Pai is a Northern style that was passed down through Tibet. The most distinguishing factor of the style is its long circular arm movements that are reminisent of the Ape, and is quite lethal when used correctly. Another aspect is the influence of mongolian wrestling, with an understanding that not all fights will be fought on two feet. The lion%26#039;s roar style and later the Lama Pai system was often used by traveling bodyguards and so the reality of groundfighting was a distinct probability.


As for other styles i can%26#039;t give you in depth information because of my lack of experience with them.|||No, there are elements of groundfighting from various systems like Mantis, monkey, drunken boxing etc. Southern Dog Fist Boxing does include a lot of ground techniques and striking from the ground. Kung fu styles concentrate primarily on stand up striking manuevers first. If you already learn jiujitsu then that%26#039;s as good as anything on the ground.





Edit: well said clowns. %26quot;Proper%26quot; by who%26#039;s standards? Every style has its own %26quot;truth%26quot; about combat. That being said I%26#039;m getting a feeling this question is just another strawman argument.|||At least you%26#039;ve stopped thinking that Kung fu is all striking :P





Here are some clips:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__JYhJJXZ...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hpt_ZVXm...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2IZMPW3i...





Anyway, just because there aren%26#039;t any youtube videos for it, doesn%26#039;t mean it doesn%26#039;t exist. Can I just ask, how come you keep saying kung fu is useless because it only has striking and no ground fighting but would recommend Muay Thai?





Here%26#039;s an interesting article:


http://www.damazen.com/blog/2007/09/30/g...|||yup. I watched a clip of tiger kung fu that was showing submissions like the heel hook reverse heel hook and a figure four toe hold. What he was using to set them up was a form of single leg take down. he was using arm drags to set up neck cranks and such.





just youtube or yahoo search kung fu grappling techniques. There is also Mongolian wrestling.





How you may define proper is purely subjective. I am 100% certain there are kung fu practitioners that practice such techniques against a person who is trying to escape and fighting back (rolling). Remember just because you do not see them does not mean they are not there.





I have never seen your brain, yet I know it is there.|||In a word - NO - because if you take the most famous of Chinese styles...Wing Chun Kung Fu the idea is to meet force with force...as it was designed by a woman so that anyone with any build, gender and so on could defend themselves. Ground fighting is ridiculous concept in my viewanyway, if they have got you on the ground then you have lost basic rules of self defence. Maybe I am biased because I hate UFC...but I really think this form of fighting is a successful method.|||Both Shaolin and Wudang styles of kung fu have all wrestling ground fighting components included within the system itself.





Shuai Jao is grappling in Kung fu.





There is a book which also covers the ground grappling found in kung fu called:


CHINESE FAST WRESTLING by Shao-Yu Liang.|||Most of them have. The problem is that kung fu orignally came from warriors and ground-fighting is not a warriors art. If you pin somebody down, you also pin yourself down. You could get stabbed in the back or hit by a spear.|||I%26#039;m fairly positive there are no systems in any strictly Chinese martial arts which address ground fighting and grappling in the same devoted manners as styles like judo and wrestling. There%26#039;s nothing close to a direct equivalent.|||Mantis kung fu has ground mantis whereby you pull your opponent to the ground and finish him.|||Stephen Chow demonstrates a devastating ground attack in Kung Fu Hustle.

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