other than that lame chainsaw mccarthy. kung fu is fun.. guess its not practical enough though?|||Wow oldways...
Great links, but wrong information. Mostly on the Chuck Liddell front.
Chuck doesn%26#039;t hold a black belt in Kung Fu (most Kung Fu styles do not have a belt system, and a few of them have a sash system)
Kung Fu is a broad spectrum term really, as it is various styles, much like the Karate misnomer.
If you wanted to user a misnomer you would say Chuck Liddell had a black belt in Karate, as he has a Kempo tattoo, from his days under Ed Parker%26#039;s Kempo Karate system.
Chuck will be the first one to tell you his striking ability and prowess in the MMA circle has nothing to do with a Kempo background and has more to do with his trainer John Hackleman than anything else.
Well that and his great wrestling ability, he is able to defend take downs like no ones business and hop back up to his feet.
He is not a %26quot;Kung Fu%26quot; practitioner, I am pretty sure he lists his style as %26quot;Kickboxing and wrestling%26quot; Nor has he ever studied any version of Kung Fu.
With the mistaken notion that %26quot;All Martial Arts come from Kung Fu%26quot; mentality, I can understand how you would make that generalization.
Chuck%26#039;s style is way more Hawaiin Kujukenbo than anything else, and he studied various forms of Karate. But not Kung Fu, or any Chinese Traditional Art.
First off, Kung Fu %26quot;specialist%26quot; would not do well, because there are very few of them doing any realistic training. There is one guy who you could consider a Kung Fu specialist, in the realm of Sanshou champ Cung Le, who is entering MMA now.
But Sanshou is hardly Kung Fu, it is kickboxing that allows takedowns. Some Kung Fu practioners move towards it as a method of competeting their art. (aside from Wushu which is forms based only).
Kung Fu (generally speaking) or the various forms of Kung Fu from Wing Chun/Tsun,, to Hop Gar, or Northern Long Fist, etc. Is generally rarely if ever sparred, and one dimensional at best. Of all Martial Art strikers their punches and kicks have been measured as some of the weakest. (Per Fight Science, a discovery channel show that had some good info and some not so great info, but the punching/kicking power readings were cool)
Generally it isn%26#039;t incredibly practical in the UFC because it is rarely taught or trained properly. Even then it is one dimensional, and generally lacks any form of pressure testing aside from pushing hands and trapping drills.
It isn%26#039;t that the art is entirely unpractical, it is that the focus is on drills, and forms, that only help build the body to perform certain moves, and they never spend time actually fighting and learning how the moves are utilized in a combat form.
Well that and that the vast majority of the moves are indeed inpractical lol.
But just wait there will be more Kung Fu mystic Chi ball lovers coming on here to tell you that it is because it is too deadly, and that a true Kung Fu master would never %26quot;lower his standards%26quot; and that Martial Arts aren%26#039;t about fighting and showing your ability. (Which is quite different than the foundation of most Kung Fu styles, which was to honor their own family or style in fighting competetions)
But hey I am just one guy, that is my opinion. Hope it is helpful.|||Why aren%26#039;t there any KFC specialists in the Yung Fu?|||check out the mma vs. kung-fu fight on youtube where mma practictioner john marsh easil defeats a %26quot;kung-fu master%26quot;. The kung fu guy asked for the fight and everything was allowed ( you can see him try to eye gouge). MMA is just much more realistic.|||you answered you own question, its not practicle enough, the training they do just does not prepare you for a competition, completely different aim from MMA|||Ever seen Kung Pow? He could own them all with his Hamster-Chucks!!|||Chuck Liddell has Kung Fu Kempo tattoo on his arm are you all blind?
http://www.urbin.net/EWW/MA/KF/kempohist...
Kempo well look it up on line
It Is Chinese Kung Fu
and Chuck seems mighty proud of this Tattoo
Chuck is a Black Belt in Kung Fu
Kung Fu styles number in the hundreds, thousands.
Yip Man was good enough to teach Bruce Lee In Hong Kong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yip_Man
he was Chinese teaching a Womans Style to Bruce Lee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_chun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Lee
Being everyone agrees Ch%26#039;n (ancient China ) represents Kung Fu the name equates to Ch%26#039;n arts. ( Actualy it means to be good at something )
You probably wont like your arts true roots in history. Thailand boxing has it%26#039;s root in Buddhism which evolves from Bodhidharma himself in China.
Shinto in Japan
And well Bodhid came from India.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dDOvPZEX...
this is rad stuff !!
Thai boxing wins hands down,
just cannot beat it,
they kick bannana trees all day for training.
no one competed.
Like a car hit ya !
But check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQTzeQssF...|||Whole buddhist thing is buIlshit!
Thailand is a extremely buddhist country but yet there%26#039;s SO many Muay Thai fighter there. It%26#039;s same with many other south east asia countries. So it throw whole theory about Kung Fu not fighting because of belif out of window.
Plus how the hell can a group keep a such secret in? There could have been a double agent who would just learn all techniques then turn around and teach it to MMA fighter.
The real reason for this is simply... Kung Fu is NOT effective and it is out of date. Don%26#039;t believe me? Those clips will speak for itself!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S19VsB7__...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QucOnlQW2...
I dare you to find a clip of any Kung Fu who do well in a fight!|||If you train realistically enough (with aliveness: google Matt Thornton for a great description), against non-compliant opponents, you will find that you can fight, no matter what you train. Some things are more realistic and can work better, for various reasons, but you will find that your skills can be applied.
You will ALSO find that what you are doing doesn%26#039;t look like Kung Fu anymore.
When a BJJ guy gets in the ring, you can see him do BJJ, when a Muay Thai guy gets in the ring, you can see the Muay Thai. When a Kung Fu guy gets in the ring, you see what looks like crappy kickboxing.
They don%26#039;t train it realistically enough to find out what works in real life, and so they can%26#039;t apply their moves. The guys who DO train it realistically, throw away the kung fu moves, because there are much more efficient techniques. Then they go crosstrain to fill in the gaps, and they don%26#039;t bother with much Kung Fu.
If Kung Fu COULD win in the UFC, they would sure as heck be doing it, there%26#039;s big money to be made.|||1- the primary reason you won%26#039;t see kung fu or %26quot;CMA%26quot; in MMA is because of the context it was originally invented.
Just like you won%26#039;t see a pure boxer in the UFC, CMAs are primarily striking styles (with throws and locks, etc.), you will never see a CMA ONLY person just like you will never see a pure boxer as they will have no ground defence. This is largely due to cultural limitations of chinese culture where if you were thrown, or on the ground, you generally lost (historically) also since many CMA styles were developed with weapons in mind and warfare, the idea that you were thrown and on the ground meant that you were dead as nothing will protect your defenseless *** from a spear to the gut at that point.
2- while #1 is a reason, it is not the ENTIRE reason. one of the main factors as to why you don%26#039;t see CMA is because as you mentioned, quite frankly most teachers don%26#039;t teach you practical techniques. The actual reason for this can be discussed from now until we are all collecting social security and beyond but generally teachers haven%26#039;t tested what they were taught, and the general training atmosphere was to not question, so like a really bad game of telephone; %26quot;I%26#039;m having dinner with a blonde nymphomaniac with big breasts%26quot; becomes %26quot;pauly shore is standing outside my door%26quot;.
Thats what happens when you don%26#039;t pressure test your techniques (as you did to a degree). So even if one took a CMA class for standup, and learned grappling defence by learning to grapple (not the bogus %26quot;anti-grapple%26quot; crap), then most cma gyms won%26#039;t teach you how to even properly do that.
The teachers often hide thier faulty teachings and faulty understanding of the techniques by claiming %26quot;its too deadly to spar or practice with resistance%26quot;- yes, quick breaks and such as can be found in all styles might be, but just because 5% of your style is untrainable at full resistance or any resistance, then what about the other 95% of it. No style is so deadly that one punch will kill you. yet the dim mak mentality is so prevalent because a teacher is just hiding thier own lack of good training. Which probably came from thier teacher and thier teacher before them.
3- because of all the problems with CMA, if you are looking to be a pro fighter, are you going to take a martial art that is easy to find a teacher that gears itself to a particular form of competition and has been proven time and again to work. Your goal is not to learn and popularize CMA, its to be a successfull UFC fighter. As such, the gap of possibility between CMA (or any traditional martial art not currently represented in the UFC) bieng seen in the UFC becomes wider.
You do see other disciplines besides san da, appearing in san da tournaments. However this is under a specific ruleset that may have throwing, but is not as ground intensive and lax in regulations as the UFC.
As such people who train in CMA- even realistic CMA and not just %26quot;pajama party%26quot; LARPers (live action role players) are going to be people who are generally not going to be interested in competing, but people who want to learn to fight realistically (or LARP as the case may be) but not compete.|||if you hop around like a swan you%26#039;ll get killed thats why|||there are some Kung Fu-ist in the ufc its just that its MIXED martial arts so even tho there is kung fu it doesnt look like it because it is Meshed in with so much other stuff that and Kung Fu alone is designed to be used in a defensive manner but the martial artist in the ufc are so evolved Not unless the kung fu guy was just GEEZUS fast he would not have time to do what he is trained to do defend, parry, attack
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